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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sounds like a truly terrible experience. I don&#039;t know what you expect me to do or say about it however; I wasn&#039;t party to these events, I didn&#039;t see them happen. I have no idea what the motivations of anyone involved were, nor does your recounting tell me anything about the &#039;tone&#039; or nature of your own arguments and disagreements. From what little information you&#039;ve imparted here, it sounds to me as though you went into those forums looking for an argument, got one, and after a time began to be treated by the forum denizens as though you were simply trolling them - you said yourself, you wanted to see &#039;just how far they&#039;d go&#039;. I&#039;m sorry that you felt hurt or &#039;hated&#039; by people online; that&#039;s no way for anyone to treat anyone else. I&#039;d be interested in seeing the discussion for myself, if you have a link handy.

I will say this however; your assertion that we can solve most &#039;gender issues&#039; by &#039;loving and forgiving one another&#039; strikes me as a rather naive and simplistic sort of thing to say. So women who have faced a lifetime of objectionable treatment should what, love and forgive everyone who&#039;s wronged them? How does that stop others from treating them poorly? If men who have grown up with the pressures to be hard, unemotional, distant, or aggressive and violent simply &#039;forgive&#039; or &#039;love&#039; all of them other men who police their gender, will that stop them from being called &#039;faggots&#039; or &#039;pussies&#039;, if they choose to express their feelings?

What feminist ideas, specifically, did you state you had a problem with? I can certainly see how going into a predominantly feminist space and claiming that you disagree with feminism might not start any subsequent discussion off well.

Why would you continue your &#039;experiment&#039; after being treated poorly? Also, what sorts of conclusions did your &#039;experiment&#039; lead you to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a truly terrible experience. I don&#8217;t know what you expect me to do or say about it however; I wasn&#8217;t party to these events, I didn&#8217;t see them happen. I have no idea what the motivations of anyone involved were, nor does your recounting tell me anything about the &#8216;tone&#8217; or nature of your own arguments and disagreements. From what little information you&#8217;ve imparted here, it sounds to me as though you went into those forums looking for an argument, got one, and after a time began to be treated by the forum denizens as though you were simply trolling them &#8211; you said yourself, you wanted to see &#8216;just how far they&#8217;d go&#8217;. I&#8217;m sorry that you felt hurt or &#8216;hated&#8217; by people online; that&#8217;s no way for anyone to treat anyone else. I&#8217;d be interested in seeing the discussion for myself, if you have a link handy.</p>
<p>I will say this however; your assertion that we can solve most &#8216;gender issues&#8217; by &#8216;loving and forgiving one another&#8217; strikes me as a rather naive and simplistic sort of thing to say. So women who have faced a lifetime of objectionable treatment should what, love and forgive everyone who&#8217;s wronged them? How does that stop others from treating them poorly? If men who have grown up with the pressures to be hard, unemotional, distant, or aggressive and violent simply &#8216;forgive&#8217; or &#8216;love&#8217; all of them other men who police their gender, will that stop them from being called &#8216;faggots&#8217; or &#8216;pussies&#8217;, if they choose to express their feelings?</p>
<p>What feminist ideas, specifically, did you state you had a problem with? I can certainly see how going into a predominantly feminist space and claiming that you disagree with feminism might not start any subsequent discussion off well.</p>
<p>Why would you continue your &#8216;experiment&#8217; after being treated poorly? Also, what sorts of conclusions did your &#8216;experiment&#8217; lead you to?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Reynard</title>
		<link>http://skepticalcubefarm.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/bullying-and-atheism/#comment-2384</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I visited the Atheism+ forums for a few days as an experiment. I stated my disagreement with feminist ideas, and politely but tenaciously defended my beliefs. I even made sure to concede points I thought they&#039;d proven.

At first the discussion was mature and enjoyable. Then a few people appeared who ignored my arguments and instead insulted every single thing about me personally that they could. The moderators did not punish their behavior, but threatened me with a ban for behavior which I *hadn&#039;t* engaged in, but they *had*. Eventually, the entire tone of the board changed. People who had been friendly and respectful before either vanished, or joined in with the others&#039; bullying. Every word I said was dissected to find the interpretation that cast the worst light possible. I was accused of all sorts of hidden agendas, and of course was called a misogynist woman hater many times. After five days in the forum, I felt so awful that I broke down crying while grocery shopping. It felt like they had gouged out my insides with an excavator. To be relentlessly hated for days on end is the worst feeling there is. But I kept at it, because I wanted to know just how far they would go. Eventually, I was banned for being &quot;sexist&quot; and &quot;ableist&quot;. I had said that we could solve most gender issues by loving and forgiving one another, and that physical limitations doesn&#039;t make someone less of a person. But by then, anything I said became the opposite. Being banned was a relief. I can&#039;t remember any other website that has made me feel worse. I can&#039;t remember ever feeling such a tidal wave of directed hatred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I visited the Atheism+ forums for a few days as an experiment. I stated my disagreement with feminist ideas, and politely but tenaciously defended my beliefs. I even made sure to concede points I thought they&#8217;d proven.</p>
<p>At first the discussion was mature and enjoyable. Then a few people appeared who ignored my arguments and instead insulted every single thing about me personally that they could. The moderators did not punish their behavior, but threatened me with a ban for behavior which I *hadn&#8217;t* engaged in, but they *had*. Eventually, the entire tone of the board changed. People who had been friendly and respectful before either vanished, or joined in with the others&#8217; bullying. Every word I said was dissected to find the interpretation that cast the worst light possible. I was accused of all sorts of hidden agendas, and of course was called a misogynist woman hater many times. After five days in the forum, I felt so awful that I broke down crying while grocery shopping. It felt like they had gouged out my insides with an excavator. To be relentlessly hated for days on end is the worst feeling there is. But I kept at it, because I wanted to know just how far they would go. Eventually, I was banned for being &#8220;sexist&#8221; and &#8220;ableist&#8221;. I had said that we could solve most gender issues by loving and forgiving one another, and that physical limitations doesn&#8217;t make someone less of a person. But by then, anything I said became the opposite. Being banned was a relief. I can&#8217;t remember any other website that has made me feel worse. I can&#8217;t remember ever feeling such a tidal wave of directed hatred.</p>
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